A small change or permanent divide? Poinciana debates Solivita’s possible exit from the APV.

The Solivita development has asked to be removed from the board of directors of the Association of Poinciana Villages. (Photo by Michael Freeman).

POINCIANA – The homeowners association for Poinciana has taken the first step that could allow one of the largest developments in this community, Solivita, to stop having a representative on the board of directors for the Association of Poinciana Villages.
“They’ve always had their own homeowners association at Solivita, but they were the 10th village here and were attached to APV,” said Jeanette Coughenour, the manager of the association, which oversees Poinciana’s 10 villages. “They would still have their own homeowners association. It’s not them opting out. It’s kind of agreed upon.”
Solivita, billed as an active adult development, is on the Polk County side of Poinciana, and makes up the community’s Village 10. On Oct. 11, the APV’s board of directors voted to take the first step in setting up an executive committee to negotiate the separation between Solivita and the APV.
“It’s just kind of a mutual thing that works to both sides,” Coughenour said. “It’s good for everybody. It’s a positive. At Solivita they have their own amenities, and their do their thing, and the community has things they’re trying to work to achieve and improve upon. So it’s a good thing.”
Not necessarily, said Darhlene Zeanwick, a member of the Poinciana Economic Development Council, which is working to bring more jobs to the community hard hit by the housing market crash. She said this change, if given final approval, would permanently cut off Village 10 from the rest of the community.
“I want to clarify this, they keep saying ‘Solivita, Solivita, Solvitia,’ “ she said. “It is not Solivita. It is Village 10, one of the ten villages in Poinciana, and if they’re talking about Solivita segregating itself, it is Village 10 pulling out of Poinciana. I’m looking at it in the long term. In the next year, it’s not going to amount to a hill of beans, but if Poinciana decides it wants to incorporate, Village 10 is going to be a brick in the wall.”
That was one of the issues that Solivita raises in the move to stop having representation on the APV board of directors. Several years ago, the APV paid the University of Central Florida to do a study on the cost of having Poinciana – which is divided between Osceola and Polk counties – become its own city. Many of the residents of Solivita strongly opposed the plan, and ultimately area lawmakers who represent Poinciana decided not to take the issue to the full Legislature for consideration.
Coughenour said the APV board voted last week to authorize an executive committee to “work through the documentation necessary to make that endeavor happen.”
It would apply to Solivita West and Solivita Grand, the proposed expansion of the development that is going to be built north of Cypress Parkway.
There were several components of these discussions, she said, including that “Solivita would be removed from the association, and Village 10 wouldn’t have any representation on the board of directors when that’s been accomplished,” Coughenour said.
The ten member APV board of directors would then have nine members, representing the remaining nine villages in Poinciana.
Under the proposal, Coughenour said, Solivita “would continue, as they have been in the past, to pay for the cost of landscaping and maintenance on Cypress Parkway, but instead of that landscaping cost being paid to APV, they would pay it to their own homeowners association,” she said. “Not much change there.”
But the negotiations also call on Solivita to be free of any future incorporation discussions, Coughenour said.
“The APV board of directors would agree that if any future incorporation of Poinciana was implemented, the board would not include Solivita in that incorporation,” Coughenour said. “The board wouldn’t support them being included in it.”
That, Zeanwick said, would likely kill any future effort to make Poinciana – a community that now has more than 84,000 residents – its own city.
“This is not good for Poinciana,” she said. “It may be good for Solivita, but it’s not good for Poinciana. It pulls Village 10 right out of Poinciana. If they’re successful in doing this, it will create an enclave where Poinciana will never be able to incorporate, because according to Florida law, you can’t have an enclave in an incorporated area.”
Zeanwick said she hopes the APV board ultimately rejects the idea, which Coughenour said could be implemented by the end of the year.
“I seem to be the only one in Poinciana who has a different point of view on this,” Zeanwick said. “My belief is that the majority of Solivitans like Poinciana residents, they like this community around them. You see a lot of Solivita residents coming out into the community and working on improvement to the area. But there seems to be a minority voice in Solvitia that’s quite loud about this.”
Keith Laytham is a Solivita resident and the president of Poinciana Residents for Smart Change, which is working to improve the community. He said this change has been talked about for several years.
“Ever since the discussions that we had a couple of years ago about incorporation, there has been discussion within Solivita, whether Solivita should or should not be a village of APV,” Laytham said. “They don’t feel they get that much from APV, and life for them would be equal if not better by not being a part of APV. There’s a vocal contingent of people within Solivita that have felt that Solivita is a different community than the rest of the APV villages.”
A lot of that, he said, is because so many Solivita residents are retirees, with a different perspective than communities with younger working families.
“There’s a lot of people in Solivita who are transplantred people from the north,” he said. “The interests of the retirement community are different in nature than the family oriented community.”

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11 Responses to “A small change or permanent divide? Poinciana debates Solivita’s possible exit from the APV.”

  1. Bob says:

    If this happens, I will be at the next board of director meeting with all of my neighbors in tow. We will want Village 7 removed from the remaining 9 Villages because we feel we don’t get that much support from the APV either. This is absurb and I can’t believe Avatar and APV pulled this off while the community of Poinciana was sleeping.

  2. Christopher says:

    Michael,

    Is there anyway for you to inquire directly with Avatar or Solivitas HOA as to the motivation behind this? I would expect that if Solivita is able to seperate themselves from APV, any other development within Poinciana should be elgible for the same exemption.

    This could truly divide a community already struggling from the downturn in the housing market.

    Also, I have heard that there is a moratorium by the BOCC in both counties against Avatar building new homes in the Poinciana community until they provide additonal access in and out of the community (Poinciana Parkway Project).

    Could it be that since it is well known this road is not happening anytime soon that Avatar has found a loophole to allow continued construction within the walls of Solivita?

    Regards,
    Concerned Resident

  3. Bob Tremblay says:

    As far as I’m concerned,if anyone doesn’t like Solivita being part of Poinciana,Let ‘em move to the villages.They are no more special than the rest of us peasants,and no one twisted their arms to buy a house inside these ugly concrete walls..

  4. Having played a somewhat strong role in the earlier Poinciana Incorporation effort, I need to state that whether or not the location of Solivita would create a problem for any possible future Poinciana incorporation effort would depend entirely on the incorporation boundaries selected for the proposal. The intial incorporation map included not just the Poinciana APV villages but the surrounding communities as well. Using that map, Solivita did create an enclave which would have made not including it illegal. Should the proposaed map be redrawn not to include either Solivita or the rural non-APV properties located west of Solivita along Lake Marion Creek road north of Village 7, then Solivita would not constitute an enclave and not including it in a Poinciana incorporation study would not create a legal problem.

    • Bob says:

      This isn’t just about incorporation, come on Keith. I highly doubt any incorporation effort will be pushed for another 20 years, maybe even more. APV pushed the issue because Avatar wanted Poinciana off it’s books. Most residents of the community were not even aware of the incorporation efforts until the last minute, hence such strong turnouts at the public meetings because everyone wanted to know what the heck was going on.

      I think if Solivita is allowed to separate itself from the rest of the community be prepared for a backlash against Solivita. Any future efforts of your grass roots group representing “Smart Change” for the Poinciana community will have no accreditation.

      The crazy thing about this is that Solivita occupies land that my Grandfather use to Golf on when he first moved to Poinciana in 1991. Fast forward to 2011, there are walls surrounding his old home and the country club he was a member of is gone and now the developer wants to remove that property from one of the 10 Villages?

      SCAM.. And your letting Avatar pull this off right under your eyes in the name of an incorporation effort that may never happen, ever!

      • Regarding the walls of Solivita, there is an excellent panorama of one of Solivita’s walls plus my own take on this effort, at my web at http://www.poincianahome.net/2011/10/avatar-village-solivita-town.html.

      • You are right. Other than the statement made by Solivita in their petition to withdraw municipal incorporation has nothing to do with this. This is simply a request by a HOA (Solivita) that is a member of a Master HOA (APV) to withdraw from the master HOA. It is legal. The proceedure is spelled out under the laws of Florida.

        My only suggestion is that before the community gets into a frenzied uproar, the people making the comments understand the legal aspects of what is happening? It’s not a case of letting Avatar do anything other than what is allowed under Florida laws.

        • Christopher says:

          It may be legal, but is it moral, ethical and fair? In the past Keith, I have supported PRFSC behind the scenes with advocating things for the community such as a Hospital, Transportation and Parks. However, you have lost my support with this cause.

          This movement will only benefit the people of Solivita. The community you are apart of, Poinciana and its residents will suffer the consequences.

          If this happens, It will mean less money for the APV, which means less money for Parks, Youth Programs, Sidewalks.. etc, all things in which you stated youre a proponent of.

  5. If it Quacks like a Segregation…

    What is this decision that the APV HOA made? Something about one of its villages pulling out of its HOA? Can they do this? Might they? To say they already have is premature, but to say that they have every intention of doing so, and doing so as fast as…

  6. Bob Danner says:

    From what I see on the map, Solivita would not be an enclave. There isn’t any developed property beyond it on Cypress Parkway. Solivita is within Imperial Polk County, while the majority of “Poinciana” is within Osceola County. Would the loudest outcry be that the “Poinciana” citizenry counted on Solivita to be the funding source for it’s benevolent city? As Mr. Laytham pointed out, Solivita’s HOA is being withdrawn from the APV’s Master HOA is covered under Florida law. It would seem that the APV sees Solivita as being a block to future incorporation efforts.

    I wish them all well, APV, “Poinciana” and Solivita. I would only hope that any future incorporation land grabs leaves my small community alone. I am quite content to be a member of a bedroom community. The maddening crowds of a municipality is within an easy drive along with restaurants and other diversions.

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